bredil x coastel the breeding pair

this is the pair that proudced the carpet python hybrids

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Happy days Colin, glad to see the female Coastal go for you this year. Any shots of how big she is now?

Its interesting how the babies display a mix of colours and patterning from both parents.

Its an interesting breeding too because several years ago Grahame Gow reclassified the Bredl's python as a distinct species, Morelia bredli, based on how isolated they are from other carpet python populations in Oz (well, so we believe anyway) and also the smaller and more numerous scales on Bredl's pythons compared to other carpets.
If his classification is correct then, according to the generally accepted definition of a 'species', this breeding wouldn't have been possible as species are by definition sufficiently distinct from each other that interbreeding is not possible under natural conditions. So is his classification correct? Who knows.

i think Dr Grahame Cow is wrong as Colin his proved with producing such a nice cluch of bredl's x coastal, and as it has been done with jag coastal x bredl's and bredl's x coastal there is a good site called hybrid heaven if you's want to have a wee look, it just goes to show that the Dr is not alway's right, and im sure he get's payed a fortune for all his research just to be proved wrong

A lot of people would agree with ya Jim! Quite a few people still regard the Bredl's as a SUBspecies of carpet python, Morelia spilota bredli, which basically means that it is recognised as being geographically distinct from other carpet pythons to an extent that it looks and appears different, but not sufficiently so to prevent interbreeding. So based on the common definition of a species, and the fact that Bredl's do readily breed with other carpet pythons, it would appear to be a subspecies. This is why a lot of people hate classification LOL!

The thing I take with a pinch of salt is the actual definition of a 'species'..... the most often-quoted definition is that 'the members of a species will interbreed with each other but not with members of other species', i.e. they are reproductively unable to hybridise.
This sounds good until you find out that there are another 3 definitions of a species that have just as much grounding as the most often-quoted definition.

So basically we can't agree on what is and is not a species, or even what a species is! Confusing or what.

Its rare that 2 people researching species classification agree on anything because in reality a 'species' in quite difficult to define. IMO this is because, quite simply, the whole concept of a 'species' is a man-made pigeon-hole into which various forms of animal are slotted according to what we think they are. Of course in nature things aren't so clear-cut and our definitions of a species all have their exceptions....proving that our attempts to fit animals into discrete species is fundamentally flawed.

Anyway, enough of me rambling on about nonsense.......what a cracking pair of snakes! That male Bredl's is a randy 'ol sod alright!

he is one randy guy he has breed with the coatal and the bredl's this year i would'nt want to be paying his child support lol

i call him quagmire GIGGTY

pmsl does he do the head bob too....

The species definition based on one species ability to breed with another is not generally recognized by most scientists as numerous seperate species can interbred and produce viable offspring despite geographic isolation. It is now often more acceptabel to base this status on the percentage of differentiation at bar coding genes.

Warren

What are bar-coding genes? I haven't studied genetics in a while but I'm guessing they are a set of genes that, like a bar code, can be used to 'identify' a species as discrete from others?

I just don't buy any of the methods used to try and define 'species' as they all have their flaws and exceptions; at the end of the day its an attempt to put animals with certain traits (morphological, behavioural, genetic or otherwise) into discrete pigeon-holes and give them a label.

Any Morelia genetics research I'm aware of gives differing results as to what is a species, subspecies and regional form.....in terms of an animals genes, where do geneticists draw the line between these taxonomic divisions? And surely these divisions are man-made?

Flip me hasn't this thread gone off on a tangent (my fault)

ha ha damien look at the number of posts you have up now we know who you are karl lol

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pmsl I knew there was something about him....